Tuesday, April 5, 2016

Sandford Palmer Theory

NOTATION from Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:
In 2018 I revisited this theory about [Robert] Sandford Palmer as relation to Blaney and John Palmer to clear up a bit of misinformation I inadvertently shared about the elder Palmer's marriages and to also share other thoughts about theory itself since I originally shared this post. This 2016 blog post was edited include the link to the more recent revisitation of the theory's blog posting. I also included links to the posts about Blaney and John Palmer. Otherwise nothing was changed in the original post's textual contents below.


I have come across online sources, or family trees, sharing the theory that a son of a Sandford Palmer was the father of Blaney and John Palmer. This son is sometimes listed with the name of William Palmer.

The theory went that Sandford Palmer and his wife, Mary, had a child (born around 1803) named William who married a Jane Martin, born in Mallow Parish, County Down and the daughter of James Martin and Jane Craig. William and Jane were said to been the parents of Blaney Palmer Sr. and, or, John Palmer.

On FamilySearch I located a christening/birth record for a male child born to Sandford Palmer and his first wife, Mary Ann. However the certificate did not list the child's name, only date and gender the only information shared about the child. Although tantalizing, after 3 or so years, I've determined (to my satisfaction) the theory doesn't seem to connect with Blaney or John Palmer. At least, it does not connect to them where Sandford R. Palmer would been their grandfather with how the theory is presented.

Sandford Robert Palmer married twice, within Mallow Parish/County Cork. He married Mary Ann Davis/Davies, daughter of Robert Davis/Davies, in 1796 in Waterford, Mallow Parish in County Cork. The blank name, for the one male child, appears would been a Sandford Palmer (Junior). Mary Ann Davis/Davies Palmer also had Elizabeth Mary Ann, Henrietta Ann, Simon Davies, and Jonathan Tanner Palmer. Elizabeth was Reverend Philip Townsend's second wife and they did not have children. Henrietta is said to married a Jonathan Warburton, I have not found children for this marriage before concluding this may been the wrong Palmer family/branch. Simon Davies died in County Cork in 1879 and unknown if he or Jonathan Tanner Palmer married or had children.

With his second wife, Mary Catherine who was the daughter of Edward Hoare Reeves that he married in 1826, they had a son named Robert Sandford Palmer - after both Sandford (Senior) and his father. So the Sandford name appeared to been passed along to a son with each wife - and none of his sons appear to have been named, nor went by, William either as his second son, in this marriage, was Carlton Reeves Palmer and they supposedly had a daughter named Dorothea.

In a small article about Sandford, after his death, it mentioned Sandford Jr and Robert Sandford in the same article - having it appear that the Sandford name had been passed along to two different male children of the same father.

So pursuing this theory, albeit an interesting Palmer family, served to only lead me right back to where I started: no idea on who were the parents of Blaney or John Palmer - or if they had any other siblings.

If any portion of this theory may hold a lead, or some water, it may be Jonathan Tanner Palmer since I did not come across marriage, let alone any children, attributed to him. Which leads to the second possible parentage theory of a John Palmer and his wife, Jane who is sometimes given the maiden name of Morton or Martin, who had a son (also named John) during the month of December, in 1822, in County Antrim ... could this John Palmer be Jonathan Tanner Palmer, son of Sandford R Palmer? Possibly, but I have to consider that it appears majority of Sandford's children either remained in County Cork/Mallow Parish area (as I can only place Jonathan Tanner due to birth/christening record but nothing beyond that) or went to Australia. Also, John and Jane are relatively common first name thoughts.

Friday, September 12, 2014

Harvey George Wampler

So, I am working on uncovering what the source notation, of "Dorothy of the George Christian Wampler site", thought listed that involved Stuart David, Clarence Augusta, and Harvey George Wampler. I have the Wampler/Wampfler Database listing of children for Clarence Augusta Wampler, and his wife - Martha Janie Johnson, differing, or incomplete, in comparison to the listing of children shared for the couple on Martha Janie Johnson Wampler's FindaGrave Memorial page.

Using the Database's information, Harvey George Wampler and Dorothy Elizabeth Candler, daughter of Singleton Candler and Adeline Harriet Bausell, married March 21, 1864 in Russell County, Virginia and were the parents of Clarence Augusta Wampler. A 1900 US Census, for Ervington District, Dickenson County, Virginia helps to confirm this connection as, in the household of Harvey G. and Dortha E. Wampler, there is a Clarence A. Wampler listed as their son, along with another son, John T. Wampler. So, with one source of information, we have already added a sibling for Clarence Augusta Wampler.

(As a side note, the couple also had two lodgers listed on the 1900 US Census report: Douglas Beverly (age 5) and Nora L. Castle (age 3). I am sharing this information now as it may, or may not, be of use in the future within the family tree thoughts.)

Anyway, thanks to this one census report, it appears that Harvey G. Wampler and Dorothy Elizabeth Chandler had at least two children. I also found online Virginia Birth & Christening records for (Martha) Allis (Alice), David C., a male child born May 1, 1867, and Mary A. Wampler; Virginia Marriage for Arnold A. Wampler to Louisa J. Rasnake; and Tennessee Death record for Tabitha Ellen Wampler Hillman. The May 1, 1867 birth record closely matches with information for Casaway T. Wampler whose birth date, on some sources, is listed as May 5, 1867.

With these handful of records and the 1870 US Census report, I have the following nine children for Harvey George Wampler and Dorothy Elizabeth Candler: Martha Alice, William R., Tabitha Ellen, Arnold A., Casaway T., Clarence A., David C., John T., and Mary A. Wampler.

Harvey George Wampler is mentioned another time, within the Wampler/Wampfler Database in reference to one of his nephews:

[hm5-203]   William Patton, WAMPLER
  b. 10Dec1845
  n. one source give born Dec 1846
  d. 23Nov1925, bur. Austin Cemetery, Venia, Buchanan Co. VA
  m. Mary C BANYAN, (9Aug1849-3Dec1911), 21Apr1860, Pike Co. KY
  n. one source gives born Aug1845
  n. in 1910 William and Mary are found in Evinton, Dickenson Co with grandson Holland (Robert's son)
  n. Sometime after Mary's death, William begins living with his son Robert
  o. farmer
  r. Virginia, Kentucky (Pike Co.), Virginia (Dickenson Co)
  n. Mary dau Jefferson and Anna BANYAN
  n. Mary bur. Austin Cemetery, Venia, Buchanan Co. VA
  n. William and Mary living with her parents in 1870 in Pike Co. KY
  n. the 1870 census page where they are listed has two BANYAN and two BLANKENSHIP families
  n. with William's brother Canary working on the Alexander BANYAN farm near the BLANKENSHIP farm where his wife to be resides
  n. by 1900, William and family are back in Virginia (Dickenson county) on a farm near his uncle Harvey G WAMPLER
  sc. Paula S. Parsons {psp}, {jw-n11}
  l. [he1-3]Hans->[hm2-2]George->[hm3-3]George->[hm4-17]Jesse=>

Source: Wampler/Wampfler Database

However, now I can backtrack to the cryptic source notation thoughts, shared with Stuart David Wampler's entry on the Wampler/Wampfler Database that led to Harvey George Wampler, of "Dorothy of the George Christian Wampler site". Without knowing what was actually shared, I am speculating that Dorothy may have supplied information to help verify Harvey George Wampler as the son of George Christian Wampler and his wife, Mary. On Harvey George Wampler's marriage license information his parents listed being Christian and Mary Wampler.

In the process I also managed to uncover more information about Harvey George Wampler (3rd cousin 3x removed to me), Dorothy Elizabeth Candler, and their children (4th cousins twice removed to me).

Stuart David Wampler

[hm6-320]   Stuart David, WAMPLER
&nsbp; b. 11Mar1919
  m. Edith ALLEN
  sc. See [hm4-21]
  l. [he1-3]Hans->[hm2-2]George->[hm3-3]George->[hm4-21]Harvey->[hm5-223]Clarence=>

Source: Wampler/Wampfler Database

If we follow the source notation, of hm4-21, this leads us to:

[hm4-21]   Harvey George, WAMPLER
  b. 10Dec1832, Russell Co VA
  m. Dorothy Elizabeth CHANDLER
  sc. Dorothy from George Christian Wampler site
  l. [he1-3]Hans->[hm2-2]George->[hm3-3]George=>

Source: Wampler/Wampfler Database

(Side notation: I have Dorothy Elizabeth's last name as Candler in my notes. Therefore, I may refer to her, if using her maiden name, as Dorothy Elizabeth Candler.)

The link shared for George Christian Wampler site, of www.claynet.com/athomas/wampler/, leads to a 404 Page Not Found. At the time of posting this information, I have not ascertained where the site was moved to ... therefore limited, at the moment, as to what is shared on the Database. Particularly when looking at the dates involved the odds are in favor of the Dorothy, listed as the source for the information for Harvey George Wampler, is not the Dorothy listed as Harvey's wife. This also means I do not have access to what information Dorothy originally shared about Harvey George Wampler through their personal web site.

My tactic is first to uncover what information is available for Stuart David Wampler as some of that may be of help to fill in the information gap. In doing this, I came across the following:

Stuart David Wampler, 87 of Fairlawn, passed away Monday, July 17, 2006 at his home. He was a Member of the Fairlawn Presbyterian Church for over 50 years. He was born [March 11, 1919] and raised in Russell County by his late parents Clarence A. and Martha Janie Johnson Wampler, also preceded in death by his wife of 58 years Edith Mattie Allen Wampler [daughter of Jesse W. and Lena P. Allen]. Survivors include three daughters and sons-in-law, Bonnie and Bill Bradberry of Christiansburg; Elaine and David Hite of Dublin; Teresa and Rick Vest of Canton, GA; seven grandchildren and spouses, Amanda and Jake Little, David Shumate, Shawn and Kim Hite, Ryan and Jamie Hite, Dexter Shumate, Ricky Vest Jr., and Tony Vest; four great-grandchildren, Justin Hite, Joshua Mayer, Austin Hite, Camden Hite; two sisters, Frances Gobble and Beulah Morris. Funeral services will be held 7:00 p.m. Wednesday, July 19, 2006 at Fairlawn Presbyterian Church with Rev. Terry Woodard officiating. Graveside services will be held Thursday at 12:00 noon at Highland Memory Gardens Mausoleum in Dublin. The family will receive friends Wednesday from 5 to 7 p.m. at Fairlawn Presbyterian Church. The family is in the care of Mullins Funeral Home in Radford.

Given Name: Stuart
Middle Name: D
Surname: Wampler
Birth Date: 11 March 1919
Social Security Number: 230-14-0896
State: Virginia
Last Place of Residence: Radford, Virginia
Previous Residence Postal Code: 24141
Event Date: 17 July 2006
Age: 87

Source: United States Social Security Death Index familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V3YM-45S

There I hit a brick wall with this avenue. Going through FindAGrave links shared, for Stuart David Wampler's parents, it states Clarence Augusta Wampler and Martha Janie Johnson Wampler were interred in Temple Hill Memorial Park at Castlewood, Russell County, Virginia. On the created Memorial pages both Clarence and Martha's death dates are listed as "unknown" as of September 12, 2014. Martha is said to be the daughter of Levi Jarvis Johnson and Elizabeth Ivy.

On Clarence Augusta Wampler's Memorial page there is very little information shared (birthdate of April 11, 1874 in Carroll County, Virginia). On his wife's page, the person shared a birthdate of Feb. 22, 1879 and a(n unlinked) listing of children for the couple: Alverta Henrietta Wampler Greening 1904 xxxx, Charles Abel Wampler 1906 1996, Ray Pierce Wampler 1908 1992, Ernest Levi Wampler 1910 xxxx, Beulah Mary Wampler Morris 1912 xxxx, Alice Bell Wampler Fugate 1915 1938, Iris Ellen Wampler Farmer 1916 xxxx, Stuart David Wampler 1919 2006, and Frances Martha Wampler Gobble 1921 xxxx.

Referring back to the Wampler/Wampfler Database we can garner more information: [hm5-223]   Clarence Augusta, WAMPLER
  b. 11Apr 1874; Buchanan VA
  d. 3Sep1954
  m. Martha Jane JOHNSON (22Feb1879-9Jun1953); 24Jun1903 Clintwood VA
  sc. See hm5-223
  l. [he1-3]Hans->[hm2-2]George->[hm3-3]George->[hm4-21]Harvey=>

Source: Wampler/Wampfler Database

Which hm5-223 leads us to .. well, Clarence Augusta Wampler himself. None of the other children, listed on Martha Janie Johnson Wampler's Memorial page, on FindaGrave, are listed within the Wampler/Wampfler Database. So, using the information provided on those two sources, we have a bit of a mystery to work on in sorting the sources of the information shared!