David Van Buren Wampler (1837 - 1917)

I garnered David Van Buren Wampler's birth date, of 1 Mar 1837, from his death certificate (on Ancestry's Indiana Death Certificate collection) and his death notices (which appeared in 2 local Spencer, Owen county, Indiana newspapers after his death (16 Aug 1917) and burial). Per his death notices and his sister, Elizabeth Wampler Cline, who was the informant for his death certificate, David Van Buren Wampler was born in Owen county, Indiana versus Monroe county, Indiana as he is often listed with as a birth place. He was buried in Chambersville Cemetery in Spencer, Owen county, Indiana area.

Only names shared, besides David's own name, in either notice was only in one of the two, and in that one his surviving siblings were listed by name. He is mentioned, in both obits, to being survived by a wife, one son and one daughter. However on David's death certificate his sister, Elizabeth, has him listed as "widowed". One of the two death notices also shared David V. Wampler had been married three times prior to his death, "with his last wife surviving" him in 1917.

Per my research, David Van Buren Wampler first married Emily Ann Edwards in May 1862 in Indiana. I am still working on her side of the information, as some have her marriage to David being her second marriage and some others have her still living in 1870s which would mean that she and David V Wampler had divorced. David Van Buren Wampler, for the 1870 US census, is listed in his parents' household without a spouse but with a young child, named Samantha, which could be assumed, with the child's estimated age on that particular census, to being David's daughter from his marriage to Emily Ann Edwards.

In July 1871 I have David Van Buren Wampler marrying, for his second time, to Mary E. Allen in Owen county, Indiana. Per online trees, including the one world one at FamilySearch, David's second wife died in 1877.

I have a daughter, Dollie Arabell Wampler, born in Aug 1877 for David Van Buren's second marriage. Dollie likely may been a nickname, but she used Dollie on her marriage records and what was used for her later 1953 death certificate as well. Thanks to Dollie's marriage and death certificate records, I also have Mary E. Allen's middle name being Elizabeth.

For the "one son", that is stated to surviving David V. Wampler, I have only come across one male child being attributed to David - and that male child was supposedly named Robert and stated in some online trees/sources to being born in 1872. That is all I have for Robert Wampler, and this scant information would have his mother being Mary Elizabeth Allen thereby having two children resulting from David Van Buren's second marriage before Mary Elizabeth Allen's death in 1877.

In 1879, in Morgan county, Indiana, a David Wampler married a Nancy Wiatt. This is possibly the record for David Van Buren Wampler's third, and final, marriage as he is listed in 1900 and 1910 census reports with a spouse named Nancy and their marital information, in one of those two census reports, backs up the 1878/9 marriage year thought. No children are stated to resulted from this marriage.

Referring to the death notices's information in with my research, to sort out the unnamed individuals within both versions of those notices, this has me with the elusive Robert Wampler (b. 1872) being the "one son" stated to surviving his father in 1917 ... and with Dollie Arabell (b. 1877) as the "one daughter" since Dollie passes away in 1953. I already have David with a wife named Nancy in his 1900 and 1910 census reports, so this points to Nancy being the surviving wife in 1917 and a Nancy Wampler who passed away in 1934 in Owen county, Indiana is listed, on her death certificate, as being a widow of a David Wampler - this may be the death record for David Van Buren Wampler's 3rd wife. Nancy Wampler, who died in 1934, was buried in Chambersville Cemetery as well.

Which this above collection of dates and names would also, sadly, point toward that the inferred daughter, named Samantha from the 1870 US Census and attributed to David Van Buren Wampler's first marriage, had died before 16 Aug 1917.

In reference to Dollie Arabella Wampler, as I shared above on how her own paper trail was used on my side to help sort out and narrow down "who was 'likely' who" for the unnamed individuals within her father's death notices, she was born Aug 1877 in Owen county, Indiana and died 1953 in Bedford, Lawrence county, Indiana. She had married three times during her life. Her first marriage was to Elisha Chambers and that child resulted in one child, a daughter named Floy L. Chambers born in 1901, before the marriage ended in divorce. Appears that Floy L. Chambers resided with her father per census reports and a couple newspaper mentions for Floy Chambers. Dollie then married a Otho Thomas Stimson and no children are listed resulting from this marriage prior to his death. In 1951 Dollie Arabella married a Thomas Jeremiah "Jerry" Waggoner and he was the informant for her 1953 death certificate.

Floy L. Chambers was a seamstress for L. S. Ayres and lived in Indianapolis, Marion county, Indiana. Floy died in 1983 and was buried in Crown Hill Cemetery in Indianapolis. She is stated to never married.

Indiana Wampler (1864 -1883), wife of George L. Knight

Indiana Wampler is listed, in her parent's household, Joseph Wampler and Cynthia Jane Smith, in the 1870 US Census and 1880 US Census in Monroe county, Indiana. On both census reports her age has her with an estimated birth year of 1864 and she is said to been born in Indiana, more than likely in Monroe county, Indiana.

Only other information I came across about her was a few family trees saying she married a George Knight. It seemed to come to a screeching halt after that. No children listed, no death information shared for her outside of maybe few online trees may share an occasional question mark (for the date) and "possibly in Monroe County" or more vague location of "Indiana".

[hm5-132]   Indiana, WAMPLER
b. 1864
m. George KNIGHT
l. [he1-3]Hans->[hm2-7]Christopher->[hm3-21]Adam->[hm4-51]Joseph=>
Source: Wampler/Wampfler Database

So, here is what I eventually found:

On 11 May 1883, Indiana Wampler married George L. Knight in Monroe county, Indiana. This marriage apparently happened on the weekend immediately right after she won her bastardy case against the very same George L. Knight. After the jury gave it's verdict in her favor, per the newspaper accounts, George seemed to have a change of heart and suggested, in the court house, that they marry that weekend.

"It took the jury about fifteen minutes to decide the Wampler Knight bastardy suit. After it was over, it is said that hte defendent shook hands with the mother and chucked the baby under the chin, thinking no doubt, that after all it is nice to be a pa."

"There was a large audience in court last Tuesday, the front seats were occupied largely by bald-heads. The attraction was the bastardy suit of Indiana Wampler against George Knight. The jury gave a verdict for the plaintiff. Mr. Knight and Miss Wampler havod[sic] agreed to "kiss and make up," and will be married Sunday."
Source: Bloomington Courier, 12 May 1883, Page 4

"... The following are the latest marriage licenses: ... Geo. Knight and India Wampler. ..."
Source: Bloomington Courier, 19 May 1883, Page 1

Per another article, from the Indianapolis News, it shared the information that after the May marriage, the couple went to live in Brown county, Indiana. The article is vague, but using the September publication date in with the paragraph sharing "some ten days ago", as some kind of time reference, this would have Indiana Wampler Knight passing in late August of 1883 in Brown county, Indiana. The article was about Indiana's friends found her sudden death suspicious and apparently went to court to have her body, buried in Monroe county, exhumed. No mention of which cemetery she was buried in nor have I located, at this time, a later shared determination of the exam/coroner's findings.

"Some ten days ago the wife of George Knight died suddenly and under circumstances which led her friends to suspect foul play. She was living in Brown county at the time of her death, but was buried in Monroe county. The body was exhumed and the stomach taken out for analysis. "
Source: The Indianapolis News, 3 Sep 1883, Page 3

Not much is known about the child, who was the reason for the bastardy suit being filed that lead to Indiana Wampler marrying the baby's father. The newspaper articles I found did not mention the child's gender or name. In snooping around Google search results, the closest I came is an record, within a pdf file of Monroe county births, sharing that an Anna Wampler gave birth to a child on 5 Jan 1883 and, in the father column, was "NA". However, the child is listed simply as Infant Wampler. I should share a notation, from my side, that that alone does not have it "definitive" that it was Indiana Wampler who gave birth to a child on 5 Jan 1883, just sharing what I felt was maybe a "possibility" I have found so far and could try to use that date/time frame thought in hopes of locating more information.

I turned to George L. Knight, in hopes that poking around on his side of the paper trail would help lead to the child's name. Again I was hit with a brick wall. He had a child out of wedlock, in 1878, with a Catherine Eldrick in Brown county, Indiana. Some sources say he married Catherine Eldrick, and other sources don't say that they married although the child, William, had the surname of Knight. If George and Catherine married in Brown county, Indiana after she was pregnant with William Knight, they had divorced by May 1883 in order for George Knight to marry Indiana Wampler in Monroe county, Indiana.

Another source, at Rootsweb, shared that George L. Knight had 8 children. They listed the one child he had with Catherine Eldrick, but had him and Indiana Wampler not having a child. George L, Knight married a 3rd time, to Sarah Margaret Chandler, in 1899 in Monroe county, Indiana. The couple is said to have 6 children. So this information takes me to having the names of 7 of children: besides William, he had James Andrew, Maud Ellen, Henry Lewis, Eliza May, Minnie Alice and Gilbert Marshall Knight. I have not come across George Knight's obit at this time to compare the listing of survivors to the list of the 7 children's names shared in that particular Rootsweb posting.

In 1889 there is a "notice" which ran in the Bloomington newspapers about land division amongst George Knight and his siblings. In those notices is also listed an Elizabeth Wampler. George's parents, James Hoagland Knight and Eliza E. Carter, do not appear (thus far in my poking around) to have had a daughter named Elizabeth and it seems that their son, George, is the only one from the family that married a Wampler. Could this Elizabeth Wampler be Indiana Wampler's child? Hard telling, as there isn't much to work with thus far with this mystery. Searching for an Elizabeth Wampler who was born in 1883 doesn't seem to help lead me anywhere. Due to the lacking of a 1890 US Census, no idea where Indiana Wampler Knight's child was living at - by 1900, a 17 year old child doesn't appear to be listed in George Knight's nor Joseph Wampler's households.

Per this posting, I have shared that I managed to come across a bit more information about Indiana Wampler's short life. That information is having me cross my fingers that it is hopefully helpful as I continue to try to find more information about her only known - but also 'unknown' - child, per her taking the father to court for bastardy and the newspaper accounts sharing that led to her marrying the father of the child that is not shared by many within their own research.

Reece Bowen Wampler 1852-1931

Who's....Reese WAMPLER of Montana who married a JORDAN around 1880. (info from Rebecca Mock, sdmock@gte.net).
Source: Wampler/Wampfler Database - Who's This Wampler?

Answer: That would be Reese (or Reece) Bowen Wampler, son of David Guy Wampler and Jane Byars. He was born 21 Mar 1852 in Knox county, Indiana - probably in Palmyra Township, although I have seen him listed as to being born in Vincennes, which was not far from Palmyra Township. He is recorded in 1860 census taken 2 years before David Wampler passes away and also in Jane (Byars) Wampler's household for the 1870 US Census.

Reese Bowen Wampler and three of his of his brothers, John Byars, David Fleming and Thomas J. Wampler, went westward as adults. John Byars was the first of the four, he went to Big Hole area of Montana in 1865 time frame and appears he may been part of the Battle of Big Hole. David Fleming Wampler and his family followed around 7 to 8 years later and settled in Big Basin/Butte area of Montana. Reese B. and Thomas J. Wampler also went to Montana, but I haven't pegged down "when", but know Reece was there at least by 1872 time frame. There are references to all four brothers in early Montana newspapers, however Reece tends to feel like his name was mentioned more often.

Reese Wampler married Violet Josephine "Josie" Jordan, daughter of Harrison Jordan and Catherine Tuttle, 7 Dec 1873.

MARRIED. - At the residence of the bride's parents, Fish Creek, M. T., December 7, 1873, by the Rev. Hugh Duncan, Mr. Reese Wampler, of Butte City, and Miss Josephine Jordan.
Source: Bozeman Avant Courier ; 19 Dec 1873 ; Page 3

They had three children, two girls and a boy, but only their oldest daughter, Nina, lived to adulthood and married a Charles E. Morris, it doesn't appear that the couple had any children before Charles died.

The 1880 US Census, for the household, is the only report that lists all of Reece's children. Irma and Walter Audley "Kidd" Wampler are often listed in online trees as to passing away before 1901. The "before 1901" thought probably stems from an autobiographical sketch for Reece Bowen Wampler appeared in a book, published in 1901, about "Progressive Men of the State of Montana, Book 1". In that particular sketch, Reece shared that Irma and Walter were deceased, but he didn't share more exact information for when they passed away.

I haven't come across more information, outside of the census reports, for Irma. I did find more information about their son. Walter Audley Wampler was born 17 Nov 1879 in Montana, there is a birth announcement for a son being born to the family in a Montana newspaper. Walter Audley Wampler died 19 Jan 1881 in Chicago, Cook county, Illinois and was buried in Upper Indiana cemetery in Bruceville, Knox, Indiana. In the obit for the son, it is mentioned he was survived by two sisters - which would been Nina and Irma. Given that Reece stated two of children passed "before 1901":, and Walter Audley died in 1881, could this hint Irma may have died in the early months of 1900 since she is not listed in that particular census?

Died.
In Chicago, at the residence of K. K. Baldwin, on the morning of January 19, Walter Audley, only son of Reece B. and Josie Wampler, of Butte City, Montana Territory, aged 1 year, 2 months and 2 days.
Walter was born in Butte City, November 17th, 1879; and until some three months ago lived there, when his mother carried him to Chicago, where he sickened and died. Walter was a beautiful child, too fair a flower to beautify earth, and was transplanted in Glory. Oh the sudden transition from pangs of death to glory, when the Savior took him in his arms, for he said "Suffer little children to come unto me, and for bid them not, for of such is the kingdom of heaven." On the day following his death his Aunt Bec brought his remains to his grandmother. His remains were interred, Saturday last, in the Upper Indiana grave-yard. This is the eighth grand-child - five of which are interred at Upper Indiana; four of that number were carried from their Grandmother Wampler's. Walter leaves his parents and two sisters to mourn for him; but his loss is their gain. ....
(The Butte Miner please copy)
Source: Weekly Western Sun - 4 Feb 1881 - Page 1

DIED.
... WAMPLER.- In Chicago, Illinois, January 19th, 1881, Walter Dudley, son of Mr. and Mrs. R. B. Wampler, aged 1 year 2 months and 2 days. ...
Source: Helena Weekly Herald - 10 Feb 1881 - Page 7

Reece and Josephine lived in Montana for a good part of their marriage and also Nevada. A nephew named Walter, who was the son of John Byars Wampler, is listed in their household for the 1900 US Census and he appears to gone with them to Nevada where he later passes away. It is said that Reece and his wife originally moved to Portersville area, in Tulare County, California, due to Josephine's health. Josephine Jordan Wampler passed away in 2 Jan 1920 in California.

Reese Wampler is recorded alone in 1920 US census. After Josephine's passing, he remained in that area and his daughter, Nina, listed as widowed, is listed in his home for the 1930 US census.

Reece B. Wampler died 16 Jun 1931 by suicide. Newspaper report shares that he had expressed his concerns about his health and money thoughts, and even suicidal thoughts, to neighbors prior to June 16th.

OCTOGENARIAN DIES BY HIS OWN HAND
PORTERVILLE, June 17. - Ill health and financial worries are believed to have prompted suicide of R. B. Wampler, 80 years of age, who shot himself in the head with a shotgun at his home in his orange grove in the Worth district, east of here, last night. Wampler, who lived alone, had several times spoken of "ending his troubles," according to neighbors. John Uzzell, a neighbor, hearing the report of the gun, found the body and notified authorities. Time for the inquest has not been set. Wampler leaves a daughter, Mrs. Nina Martin of Glendale, who arrived here this afternoon.
Source: The Los Angeles Times ; 18 Jun 1931 ; Page 10

Reece's burial location is not known. His daughter, upon her death around 20 years later, was cremated so that opens the possibility she may have had her father cremated versus buried in Indiana, Montana or California cemetery.

Not The Daughter of Thomas Reed and Mary Russell So Cannot Be The Granddaughter of Charles Russell

Back in 2009 someone uploaded a PDF file to Ancestry.com about Charles Russell and his will. However, they titled the PDF upload with an insinuation that the Eliza Reed, named as a granddaughter of Charles Russell in his will, is the same Eliza Reed who married Blaney Palmer. This would have her mother being a daughter of Charles Russell, Mary, who married a Thomas Reed.

Problem is that the Eliza Reed mentioned in the will has a paper trail which conflicts with the assertion hinted, by the pdf file's title, that she and the Eliza Reed, who married Blaney Palmer, are one in the same person. They are not. The only way to have it work out that Eliza Reed, who married Blaney Palmer, was Charles Russell's granddaughter mentioned in the will would require Blaney Palmer Sr's wife, Eliza, to commit bigamy plus manage to live in two different areas, with both husbands, the rest of her life.

I know, so far this is a confusing read, but that's the part of the problem as the association is confusing because it appears, somewhere along the line, someone mistakenly thought that there was only Eliza Reed born in Ohio or something like that - and not open to the possibility there could been more than one or consider that Eliza/Elizabeth was a popular name.

Here is my breakdown of what discrepancies I noticed in the claim:
· · Eliza Reed, daughter of Thomas Reed and Mary Russell, is said to been born in Gallia County, Ohio. Eliza Reed, who married Blaney Palmer, is said to been born in Butler County, Ohio.
· ·: Eliza Reed, daughter of Thomas Reed and Mary Russell, married in Gallia County. Ohio. Eliza Reed, who married Blaney Palmer, married in Butler County, Ohio.
· · Eliza Reed, daughter of Thomas Reed and Mary Russell, is listed in the 1850 US Census for Gallia County, Ohio with her husband and two Russell cousins - no children for the primary couple listed. Eliza Reed, who married Blaney Palmer, is listed in the 1850 US Census in Ripley County, Indiana, with Blaney and their daughter, Mary.
· · Eliza Reed, who married Blaney Palmer, is listed in the 1860 US Census in Ripley County with Blaney and three additional children (so up to 4 children in the household). In 1860 Eliza Reed, daughter of Thomas Reed and Mary Russell, is listed in 1860 US Census with her husband, John, in Indiana - but not in Ripley County area.

As interesting as the children of Thomas Reed and Mary Russell were and all, and it would be nice to list parental names as well as siblings for Eliza A. Reed Palmer ... Mary Russell and Thomas Reed appears to being the wrong couple to attach Eliza A. Reed Palmer being their daughter; and, in doing so, would only have the tree, for her, go off track and be incorrect with listing her with the wrong parents and grandparents.

Goodness knows there were a lot of Reeds in Ohio in the early to mid-1840s and the hash-mark style of earlier US census reports doesn't make it easy to narrow down to just one particular Reed. However, we have the information, from Eliza's "In Memory Of" that one of the children wrote after her death and marriage records, that contain references to Butler County, not Gallia County, in Ohio as to being the main area likely of more interest. Eliza Reed who married Blaney Palmer married him in Butler county, Ohio in 1848 and there were other Reeds living in the general area of Butler county of where she married Blaney. Using personal research of the officiator of their marriage, and where the officiator resided at in the 1840s, I have it narrowed down to two possible prospects, and I am leaning more toward one couple as to being the likely parents, who lived in the same area of Butler county for the US census in 1850 (2 years after she married) and also in Butler County for the 1840 census. I have them listed as potential parents of her, with the phrase "possible - not proven" included as part of their names to make it clear, to others, that a piece of the puzzle is not yet been confirmed or verified, just that it is possible. Could that other male Reed be related somehow to Thomas Reed? Possible, but as I said - there were a lot of Reeds, from Pennsylvania and Virginia, who went to Ohio between 1810 and 1840s, and many were siblings or cousins.

The problem is, on Ancestry, if you search or look through the 'hints' shared by Ancestry's side for Eliza Reed - that 2009 PDF pops up near the top of those search results. Which means people see her and/or Blaney's name in the title of the PDF file and just click to attach it to (the wrong) Eliza Reed ... which only helps to continue having it pop up (erroneously) in the results for Eliza Reed Palmer. Therefore resulting in quite a few people who, based upon the 2009 pdf file "as a source", list Thomas and Mary Russell Reed to being her parents ... which means they naturally then add Charles Russell to being her grandfather. All this primarily seems due to that pdf file's title thoughts.

So the naming thoughts/false "research" shared only helps to continue sharing the incorrect information. Kind of similar to, as an example, on how people continue to list Blaney and Eliza Reed Palmer to having a son named James due to a census taker error in the 1860 US census where their daughter Jane was mistakenly listed to being a son named James - and they will even list that James as to passing away prior to 1870 versus just removing non-existent James as a child of the couple and correctly putting the 1860 census to Jane; even though they will tell you "I know" that James never existed. Why? I don't know. The only excuse I can think of to keep the fictional child on the family tree is to only continue the theory that " since Blaney and John both had sons named James, then their father must've been named James ..." and citing Irish naming tradition thoughts as the basis. Which that theory doesn't really pan out, since both men did not have a son named James ... but then you have people using one baptismal record to create a set of twins (therefore create a James William Palmer) for Sandford Palmer to say they have found the parents and grandparents for Blaney and John, but the only evidence being a "one size fits all" baptismal record and a marriage record for a William Palmer marrying and nothing else to even remotely connect Blaney to Sandford Palmer's family tree - and nothing, on Sandford Palmer's side, to connect him to being the father of a William James Palmer either (in terms of any later records or him every being said to have a son named William or James, born around 1803 or 1805, attributed to him)

Oh well, I digress ...

---

As a side notation, I have purposely chosen to not link the pdf file shared on Ancestry.com within this article. I am hoping that what I shared here will help shed a little light and prompt others to double check/research on their own (to see if their conclusions match mine when it comes to Eliza Reed of Gallia county, Ohio) and to, possibly, hopefully, edit their trees accordingly and perhaps, eventually, have the person, who titled the pdf file to include Blaney Palmer's name as part of it on Ancestry's site, to rename the pdf file.

Children of Harvey S. Wampler (1828-1885) and Martha Jane Harrison (1840-1914)

This posting serves as an update, of sorts, to information shared about Harvey S. Wampler (1828-1885) to share a little more about his children (than was previously shared).

Harvey S. Wampler married Martha Jane Harrison 30 Nov 1862 in Knox county, Indiana. Per the US Census reports, they resided in Washington Township and had at least six children: Joseph A., Elizabeth, Mary Ashby, Flora Ardelia "Della", Lillian M. "Lillie", and Nellie Dove Wampler. Martha Jane and the children remained in Washington Township after Harvey's death per the 1900 US Census.

Joseph A. Wampler was born, per census reports, in Jan 1864. His California death records list the full date of birth as 22 Jan 1864 and it was from those records where I got his middle initial. By 1910 he is in Washington and his occupation is listed as Logger for that year's census. In 1930 he is listed in Stockton State Hospital for Insane in Stockton, California. He died 18 Dec 1967 and was cremated. In the 1910 US Census he is listed being Single, in 1930 US Census and his death records his marital status is stated to being Unknown. I have not located his 1900 and 1920 US Census to help peg down around when he left Indiana for Washington and/or left Washington for California. I have not located marriage records - so he may have been a bachelor at time of death.

Elizabeth Wampler appears only in the 1870 US Census with estimated birth year for her is 1869. This leans thoughts to she probably died between when the census was taken in 1870 and before it was taken in 1880. Her burial location is unknown.

Mary Ashby Wampler was born 5 Apr 1871 and she married Jesse D. Grigsby. Together Mary and Jesse Grigsby had eight children. Mary died 3 Apr 1946 in Vincennes, Knox county, Indiana and is buried in Sumner, Lawrence county, Illinois next to her husband.

Flora Ardelia "Della" Wampler was born 3 Oct 1872 and she married twice; first marriage was to Clinton Wood and together they had seven children, and Della's second marriage was to F. W. Griffin in Arkansas, which did not have any children. Della, per online trees, passed away in 1935 in Arkansas (I have not yet located death records), and this would mean that she and Clinton Wood divorced as he passes away in 1949.

Lillian M. "Lillie" Wampler was born Apr 1877. In the 1910 US Census she is listed in her mother's household in Washington Township, Knox county, Indiana and, per this census, Lillie had a daughter born, out of wedlock, 5 months prior and Lillie is also listed as giving birth to one child with that child still living, which helps determine that the little girl listed in the household is Lillie's daughter. Lillie later married Jesse Wilbur Johnson in 1916 and they had a daughter in 1917. In 1920 US Census they are residing in Terre Haute, Indiana, and Lillie's oldest daughter is listed with the Johnson surname. In the 1930 and 1940 US Census, Jesse and Lillie Johnson are back in Knox county and residing in Vincennes. I came across 3 marriage records, two of which were in Ohio, for the daughter Lillie had with Jesse Johnson - but, for Lillie and Jesse, I have not come across further info for them past the 1940 US Census. Lillie's oldest daughter's paper trail also seems to go cold after the 1920 US Census.

Nellie Dove Wampler was born in 1881. She first married Louis Riley Hemry and resided in Palmyra Township, Knox county, Indiana where they had two daughters prior to Louis Henry's 3 Nov 1914 death. Louis was the son of James and Margaret McMasters Hemry, and when researching him also look for him as Lewis Hemry or Lewis/Louis Henry. Nellie D. married Jesse J. Jones in the fall of 1915 in Knox county, Indiana and they had two children together. I have not located a death date for Nellie D.; she may have died in Toledo, Lucas county, Ohio as she and Jesse Jones are listed living there for the 1930 and 1940 US Census after the 1920 census that had them in Washington, Daviess county, Indiana.

So Harvey S. Wampler and Martha Jane Harrison did have children, and grandchildren as well.

Alexander Wampler (1812 - around 1845) and children born after his death

Had an error pop up in the family tree program I use saying I had a couple kids in the tree listed being born after the death of a parent.

So, sure enough I had this gal listed as being born 2 years after her father died. Which would be impossible - even if the mother was pregnant at the time the father passed "around 1845".

Found the gal's FindAGrave memorial page, it has her birth info being 4 Jul 1846. Which theoretically works with the father passed "around 1845" thoughts. Her FindAGrave has her name as Lee Ann - However, in other online trees and such, I've seen her more often listed as Leanna J. and listed with a birth year of 1848.

Alexander Wampler (son of Christopher Wampler and Elizabeth Kettering) was born 3 Sep 1812 in Wythe county, Virginia. He married a Matilda Brown in 1835 in Smyth county, Virginia ... I don't have her parents, yet, and she is said to been born around 1819.

In the 1850 US Census in Smyth county Matilda Wampler, per how the census taker listed the people, is recorded as to living two other women and their children. Matilda is listed with 3 children transcribed (from the handwritten census) as to being: Mary (F-6), Stephen (M-5) and Sander Wampler (M-3). Matilda is marked in one column as to being over 20 years in age and cannot read or write.

This appears to be the first census error shared for Matilda Brown Wampler and/or her children. The transcription is correct in some aspects. However, if looking at the image of the census page itself, we notice that Nancy has a " shared for her last name which means she shared the same surname as the person above her ... which we see an older male, Billingsley Roberts, is listed on the line above her, as shared in the screenshot below, who probably should been listed as the Head of the family instead:

No Lee Ann/Leanna J. Wampler listed with Matilda there. However I think Sanders may been a mistaken transcription of the handwriting, and what is thought to be an "S" is an "L" - and so maybe the census taker had written Leande(r), which could actually be Leanne and she is miss-marked as being a male child? Possible that is what happened as it has happened before. Recall that census takers did not take the large form around with them, but would take notes and then add that info from their notes to the form itself. So if he had sloppily written Leanne and just her age, then later on - when looking over the notes, he may thought he wrote Leander or something, which would been a male name.

Between the 1850 and 1860 US Census Matilda apparently remarried to a John Anderson (b. around 1804/9 time frame in Virginia) and the family is now living in Tazewell county of Virginia. Mary Wampler (the oldest daughter I have for Alexander Wampler and Matilda Brown) married Andrew J. Gillespie in Jan 1860, so she wouldn't appear in the mid-summer taken US census with her mother. Stephen is listed to being around 15 - which works with his paper trail info on him being born in 1844. No Sander Wampler listed, and he would been around 13 if he was 3 in 1850). Leanna J. Wampler is listed being around 11 (but her FindAGrave has her being born in 1846, which would had her being 13/14 years old - which would match up to the missing Sander/Leander Wampler's age and also help tilt the scale she was a daughter of Alexander Wampler, maybe born within a few months of his death if he passed in last half of 1845, with her being in the 1850 and 1860 US Census with Matilda). So I am going with the 1846 birth year for Lee Ann/Leanne J. Wampler in the family tree. although some online trees list her birth year as 1848.

The above image is a screenshot of John and Matilda Anderson's portion of the 1860 Census, but also shares census taker error number two? After Alexander's death and between 1850 and 1860, Matilda had at least three more children who are listed on the 1860 census as well: Emily (F-8), John (M-2), and America (F-under the age of 1) - all listed with the surname of Wampler. Which Alexander has been passed away for well over a decade by now - but apparently he nor Matilda Brown didn't have real good luck with census taker folks, in relation to how census takers handle recording their kids. Emily is probably a daughter of John Anderson (unless Matilda had a marriage between Alexander and him that Emily was a child of). The younger two are very likely children of John Anderson and _not_ Alexander Wampler, but .... they are being listed in family trees, by others, as Emily Wampler, John Anderson Wampler and America F. Wampler to being post-mortem children of Alexander Wampler due to a census taker in 1860 giving all the children in John Anderson's household the surname of Wampler.

In John and Matilda Anderson's 1870 US Census, taken in Tazewell county, they only have three children in the home: John A. and America F. Anderson, so that helps clear up the 1860 US Census error that had them listed with the surname of Wampler. Emily C. is still in the household, and she is listed with the same estimated birth year of 1852 and with surname of Wampler. If Alexander Wampler was her biological father, this would have his death thoughts change from "around 1845" to "around 1851/52". Emily C. never married and passed away 6 Sep 1882 in Smyth county, Virginia - on her death records she is listed as Emily C. Anderson and that her father was John Anderson. This record doesn't help explain why in 1860 and 1870 US Census she was listed both times with the surname of Wampler, even after Mary, Stephen and Leanna/Lee Ann were no longer with their mother.

With Matilda, I have seen her listed as to passing away in 1860s or 1870s, either in Wythe county or in Indiana. Appears neither of those thoughts are correct, but Matilda Anderson (nee Brown) passed away later, in 1888 in Smyth county.

Now that I got Lee Ann/Leanna J. figured out to being a child of Alexander Wampler, which started off this confirmation trek of sorts, and that the last two children (John and America) are not Wamplers but Andersons - where was Sarah Elizabeth (Jan 1841 - 1924) who is oft-listed in online trees being a child of Alexander and Matilda? She's not listed with Matilda Brown Wampler Anderson in the 1850 nor 1860 census. As images share, can't rely on online trees' info since majority of those, including the FamilySearch one world tree one, gave Alexander 3 children well after his death date thoughts ... and without the birth years of those later children raising the question, by folks' willingly sharing it, of how Alexander could have been the father. The only child, listed on paper, that is "up in the air" on being Alexander's biological child is Emily C. who is listed with an estimated birth year of 1852.

Harvey S. Wampler 1828 - 1885

Harvey S. Wampler is a descendant of Hans George Wampler, son of Hans Peter Wampfler Sr., and Elizabeth Stephan/Steffey, daughter of Johannes Ulrich Stephan/Steffey and Anna Schirmer. Harvey is also one of the brothers of Rufus Morgan Wampler, who would been my 2x great-grandfather.

[hg3-57] Harvey S, WAMPLER
  b. 1828
  m. Martha HARRISON
  l. [he1-8]Hans->[hg2-9]Jacob=>
-- Source: Wampler/Wampfler database

Harvey is hinted to being born in Virginia, probably Wythe county, in 1828 or 1829. I listed the 1828 year on my side based off majority of census reports that leaned to that year. US Census reports listed both Indiana and Virginia for his place of birth, however, I am leaning to Virginia due to his siblings.

"107 HARVEY S. WAMPLER, b. ca 1829; d. in Knox County, Indiana on 21 Sep 1885. He could have been the Harvey S. Wampler who was married in Knox County, Indiana, on 30 Oct 1862, to Martha J. Harrison. He was enumerated in the 1880 Census of Knox County. They had six or more children..."
-- Source: Page 55 of "Wamplers in America" by John E. Shouse; 1981

Martha J. [Jane?] Harrison is said to been the daughter of James H. Harrison and Mary Jane Steffey. Her mother, Mary Jane, is listed as being a child of Henry Steffey Jr and Christine Staley. Henry Steffey Jr's father was a brother of Elizabeth Stephan/Steffey - so he was a son of Johannes Ulrich Stephan/Steffey and Anna Schirmer. Sharing that in fo for those who try to keep some track of the intermarriage that occurred in Wampler and/or Steffey family trees.

Martha Jane is said to been born in 1840 and probably in Virginia. An H. S. Wampler and M. J. Harrison married in Knox county, Indiana on 30 November 1862. Martha is said to passed away in February of 1914 in Knox county, Indiana. On the Indiana death certificate her name is listed as Mary, not Martha, and mother is listed to being Mary Jane Steffy but her father's first name not listed and he is listed being a Wampler, not a Harrison. I am not discounting the death record to being for Martha Jane Harrison Wampler, however with the intermarriage that went on between the lines/generations, I am going to see if I can find something else to help confirm it is her. So far I have not come across an obit or death notice shared for her in the local papers.

A Harvey Wampler is listed in the 1870 US Census in Knox County with a wife, Martha, and 2 children, Joseph, age 6, and Elizabeth, age 2. I have seen Joseph and Elizabeth listed being born in 1854 and 1859, but that clashes with the marriage info and with the 1860 and later US census reports, in terms of age listed for them. So, on my side, I am basing those two children's birth years off the 1870 US Census that they first appear in; Joseph Wampler, 1864, and Elizabeth, 1869.

Also, Harvey S. Wampler did not pass away in Knox county, Indiana and he did not die on 21 September 1885. Per a local newspaper, Harvey was hospitalized in May of 1885 and he died in Indianapolis, Marion county, Indiana on 17 September 1885, a Thursday, at the Insane Hospital. His body was shipped to Bruceville, Knox county, Indiana and it arrived on 18 September 1885, a Friday. The 21 September date is a Monday, and I am assuming, given the time line, the date of his burial in Knox county, Indiana.

Here is the information, from a local newspaper, that I used to base the dates of Harvey S. Wampler's hospitalization being on/about 27 May 1885, death being 17 September 1885 in Indianapolis, and subsequent burial thoughts in Knox county, Indiana on my side of working on the family tree:

From Wednesday's Daily, May 20
... Harvey S. Wampler, who was about town, this morning, apparently insane, ought to be restrained. He has been locked up.
-- Source: The Vincennes Weekly Western Sun - Page 3 - 22 May 1885

From Friday's Daily Mail, May 29
... Sheriff Seddelmeyer took H. S. Wampler to the Insane Hospital at Indianapolis, Wednesday. He was accompanied by Jo Keifer.
-- Source: The Vincennes Weekly Western Sun - Page 1 - 5 Jun 1885

The remains of Harvey Wampler were shipped to Bruceville last Friday. He died in the Insane Hospital, at Indianapolis, the day before.
-- Source: The Vincennes Weekly Western Sun - Page 3 - 25 Sep 1885

I have come across names of six children attributed to Harvey S. Wampler and Martha Jane Harrison: Joseph [1864-?], Elizabeth [1869-?], Mary [1871-1938], (Flora?) Della [1872-?], Lillian "Lillie" [1876-?] and Dove N. [1881-?]. If following the intermarriage chain, the children would be descendants of Hans George Wampler Sr and Elizabeth Stephan/Steffey and Elizabeth's brother, Henry Stephan/Steffey and Louisa/Levicy [Phillippi?]. I am currently working on picking up the paper trail of the children, I know at least of 2 of the daughters married and one had at least 8 children and the other had 6 to 7 children.

Sandford Palmer Theory Revisited

In a previous post about Sandford Palmer, in relation to a theory that he is a relative of Blaney Palmer, Sr., I listed Robert Sandford Palmer [Sr.] to having two wives, Mary Ann Davies and Mary Catherine Reeves.

I was wrong. The elder Palmer did not have two wives.

I have come across an entry, for Sandford Palmer, on page 492 in The County Families of the United Kingdom by Edward Walford published in 1882. The entry was for Sandford Palmer born in 1803 (the blank Christening record I mentioned in the previous posting that many want to ascribe to being for a William Palmer) and he is listed to being the one who married Mary Catherine Reeves in 1826 and his father is listed to having married Mary Ann Davies.

In FamilySearch.org family trees section, someone has linked (or merged) Blaney Palmer Sr. and his brother, John Palmer, to being linked to William Palmer and Jane Martin (daughter of John Martin and Jane Craig), who married in Mallow Parish, and then linked (or merged) the same William Palmer to being a twin of Sandford Palmer who was born in 1803. The only citation used to link William Palmer to Sandford Palmer and Mary Ann Davies is the 15 Jun 1803 Christening record that does not list the child's name on it, only that is for a male child of the couple ... and the certificate does not mention twin males either.

And somehow in the process William Palmer has also gained a middle name of James. Which may been done as a way to link William to being the James and Jane [Morton] Palmer who had a son, named John, in 1822 in County Antrim.

I am still not sold on the connection that William (James) Palmer is the twin brother to Sandford Palmer (b. 1803) therefore the son of [Robert] Sandford Palmer [Sr.] and Mary Ann Davies due to it appears to be some hammering of square pegs into round holes to force things to "fall into place" or "fit".

I am not saying that William Palmer, who married Jane Martin, may have not been somehow related to Sandford Palmer - just that it may not been as a son or brother. James Palmer, in County Antrim, may been a totally different Palmer who happened to have a wife named Jane whose maiden name was "close to" Martin. Jane's age is not listed on the christening record for a son, named John, born in 1822 and we know the Jane, who married William Palmer in Mallow Parish in Cork, was born in 1805 due to her Christening record. And if James Palmer is not William Palmer, who married Jane Martin in Mallow Parish, and William was born to another Palmer branch (so not a twin brother of Sandford Palmer) then all the force fittings to try to make the pieces fit is not leading us anywhere - let alone figuring out Blaney and John Palmer's lineage.

Yes, the theory is interesting. However, on FamilySearch's family tree, it is not presented as a theory that has not been proven [as in no notations shared to share it is a theory and not proven to being fact], but now listed as a "fact" in a way that others will copy and carry on to have others copy while thinking "research has been done to confirm this". I, however, would like more than a blank Christening record pulling double duty for two different people to even give William Palmer a birth year thought of 1803, let alone being the son of Sandford Palmer and Mary Ann Davies. I also think, even the church was conserving on paper for the Christening record, that there would been a notation the record itself was for a pair of twins somewhere on it (to have it count for more than 1 child). However, right now, it appears that he name line was possibly left blank due to the male child being christened was a Junior (named after his birth father) and the person, writing the record, may have not felt necessary, on their side, to list the child's name due to the male child being a Junior.

It is about as bad as some family trees that list a James Palmer, whose wife may or may not be named Jane, being Blaney and John's parents and that same James listed to having two sons named John who were born within 2 years of each other (with the same wife, who is either a Hannah or a Sarah) ... and no explanation nor citations of how Blaney and his brother are linked to the James Palmer. With the latter, it may be due to latching on to a "naming of children" theory (where sons often named their 1st or 2nd son and/or daughter after their parents or grandparents) and some people erroneously think that Blaney and John Palmer each had a son named James due to the 1860 US Census where the census taker mistakenly listed Blaney's daughter, Jane, as a male named James. However some folks like to point that Blaney's 1st born 'son' was named James and John's 2nd son was named James therefore both men named a son after their father, who was therefore also a James. The census error, for Blaney's 1860 US Census, is revealed in the 1870 and 1880 US Census reports that list Jane with the same birth info originally ascribed to a "James" in Blaney's 1860 US Census. So Jane is the James Palmer listed in 1860 US Census and that makes Blaney's 1st born son being John P. and his 2nd born son was Blaney Jr. Looking at naming thoughts on John's side, the 1st born son was named after his wife's grandfather, David L., and his 2nd born son, per family lore, James Sylvanus, was named after the captain of the ship he came to America on ... his other two sons was named William Sherman and Robert Martin Palmer. Blaney's daughters were named, in order, Mary Elizabeth, Jane [middle name unknown], Mariah [middle name unknown], Eliza Ann[a], and Isabel[le]. John's daughter was named Sarah I. [unknown what the I was an initial for].

I suppose one could look at John's younger two sons and point to one named William and Robert and then Robert having Martin as a middle name then Blaney's 2nd daughter being named Jane as a way to then point to the Mallow Parish marriage record for a William Palmer and a Jane Craig to go "A-ha! Blaney and John were the children of William Palmer and Jane Martin!" I would like something more to help support it than a spreading of names across the two brothers' children [and none repeated across the two brothers].

In summation, I have not nixed the idea that William Palmer, who married a Jane Martin, may been related somehow to Robert Sandford Palmer. I am merely not convinced William Palmer was a son of Robert Sandford Palmer [Sr] and Mary Ann Davies, therefore William not being a brother to Jonathan Tanner, Simon Davies, Sandford Robert [Jr], Henrietta, or Mary Ann Palmer - let alone a twin to Sandford [Jr]. There is, so far, no proof found that William and Jane [Martin] Palmer was Blaney and John's parents. I am also not convinced a James Palmer who married a Jane, Hannah, or Sarah [spousal thoughts is dependent which James is listed on an online tree] was Blaney and John's father either due to "naming thoughts", which was already proven to being a flawed theory from the get-go ... and John Palmer, who came to America and settled in Ripley County, Indiana with Samantha Gray as his wife, was born closer to 1825. Blaney Sr. is said to been born in 1822 but the 1822 Christening record is for a child named John and I don't know how it could been for Blaney either (who was born in September and the record is for a December Christening). Therefore I still have Blaney and John's parents technically listed as Unknown - with William and Jane Martin listed, in notations, as "a theory only" due to when they married, but even the time frame of when they married may not help lead them to being Blaney and John's parents.

Samantha Nancy Gray Dickerson 1827 - 1905

Samantha Nancy GRAY DICKERSON^1,A was born on 12 March 1827, in Mixerville, Bathe Township, Franklin, Indiana, United States, to Mr. Unknown^2,B and Elizabeth "Liz" GRAY².

Samantha's younger sister, Julia A. Gray², is said to been born in Butler County, Ohio. This would seem to hint that Samantha Gray also lived, for a short period of time, in Butler County, Ohio, United States before she, her mother and sister start appearing in United States Census reports as to residing in Ripley County, Indiana, United States.

The United States Census, 1850 on 9 October 1850, in Otter Creek Township, Ripley, Indiana, United States, at age 23, Samantha and her infant son, David L. Gray^3,C, are listed in her mother's household. No occupation listed for Samantha Gray Dickerson (nor her mother).

In the United States Census reports for 1860, 1870, and 1880 for Center Township, Osgood, Ripley, Indiana, Samantha is listed as Samantha or Nancy Palmer. Her occupation was generally one assigned for house wife thoughts. Samantha was listed to not being able to read or write.

Samantha Dickerson^A,B and John Palmer⁴ married 28 February 1873 in Versailles, Ripley County, Indiana. Prior to the civil service it is unclear about their marital status, but they may possibly been in a common law marriage. John Palmer passed away in 1885.

Court Report. April Term.
... Samantha Palmer vs Peter Maschino, receivership. Report of receiver approved. Receiver discharged.
Source: Versailles Republican; 27 May 1886 - Page 5

In the United States Census reports for 1900 in Center Township, Osgood, Ripley, Indiana, Samantha Palmer, aged 73, is listed as Head of Household.

Samantha died on 9 September 1905, aged 78, in Center Township, Osgood, Ripley, Indiana, United States. Robert Martin Palmer³ was the informant for the State of Indiana death certificate and he listed "Nixerville, Franklin"^D as her place of birth. Cause of death was said to be due to an abdominal tumor.

Samantha Nancy Gray he was buried on 10 September 1905 in Otter Creek Cemetery (also known as Tanglewood Cemetery)^E in Ripley, Indiana, United States. Samantha Nancy Gray Dickerson and John Palmer were the parents of six or seven children: David L. [Gray] Palmer, James Sylvanus Palmer³, John Palmer^3,F

William Jesse Palmer³, Robert Martin Palmer, and Sarah I. Palmer³.

Samantha's brother-in-law, Patrick Michael McCormick^2,G, and Robert Martin Palmer handled her will and estate^H.

... Michael McCormich, of Osgood, was in town the first of the week and probated the will of Samantha Palmer deceased.
Source: Osgood Ripley Journal; 20 September 1905 - Page 8

Notations of Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:

A Samantha Gray appears on census reports and some earlier citations as to going by Samantha Gray. It is later, such as her 1873 marriage to John Palmer, where she starts appearing to list her maiden name being Dickerson. Presents a bit of a conundrum on how to list her name in the family tree since she went by Gray for over 20 years before she went by Palmer, even prior to the civil marriage, then Dickerson. I list her, on my side, with Gray and Dickerson both as her maiden names, which may seem a bit unwieldy, but given the circumstances, accurate in terms of how Samantha used the names while alive.
B First appearance of her father's name, in documents, is in 1873 when she lists a John Dickerson being her father on a marriage record. John Dickerson is also listed as her father on her later death certificate.
C David L. Gray appears in 1860 and 1870 census reports, for John and Samantha [Gray Dickerson] Palmer, as David L. Palmer. It is unclear if John Palmer was the birth father or "adopted" him.
D This is the first mentioning of exactly where she was born at in Indiana. Mixerville was an informal, unincorporated, area in Bathe Township, Franklin, Indiana area.
E Find A Grave memorial page, for Samantha Gray Dickerson Palmer, shares her grave site is not marked.
F Child's existence may be questionable.
G Husband of Julia A. Gray
H Robert Martin Palmer is said to inherited the bulk of the estate due to him taking care of Samantha after John Palmer's passing.

Relationship to Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:

1 Maternal 3x Great-aunt through marriage
2 Indirect, through marriage
3 Maternal Cousin 3x removed
4 Maternal 3x Great-uncle

Resources for Samantha Nancy Gray Dickerson:

·   United Staes Census for Otter Creek Township, Osgood, Ripley, Indiana
· United States Census for Center Township, Osgood, Ripey County, Indiana
·   United States Census for Center Township, Osgood, Ripley County, Indiana
·   United States Census for Center Township, Osgood, Ripley County, Indiana
·   United States Census for Center Township, Osgood, Ripley County, Indiana
·   copy of marriage record, not yet digitized by the county or state, shared on Ancestry online family tree by a descendant of John Palmer and Samantha Nancy Gray Dickerson.
· &nsbp; State of Indiana death certificate for Samantha Dickerson Palmer; Record No. 131.
·   Will of Samantha Palmer
·   Find A Grave memorial pages for Samantha, her husband, and children.
·   Osgood Ripley Journal
·   Versailles Republican
·   Ancesty message boards and online trees
·   Rootweb forums
·   Genealogy forums

John Palmer 1826 - 1885

John PALMER^[1] was born in 1826^A, in Ireland, to [FNU] PALMER^{2, A} and [FNU] [LNU]^{2, A}. He is stated to been a brother of Blaney Palmer³.

On 23 May 1843, aged about 17, he immigrated from Ireland to Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States on the ship named [Bark] John Kerr^C. In 1843, aged about 17, John Palmer was naturalized^C in Indiana, United States.

In the United States Census taken on 9 October 1850, aged about 24, in Otter Creek Township, Ripley, Indiana, John Palmer is listed in the household of William H. Smith⁴ and with the occupation of Cooker.

United States Census for 1860, 1870, and 1880 John Palmer is listed to be living in Center Township, Osgood, Ripley County, Indiana. Each of these census reports has John listed with the occupation of farmer and being able to read and write. Blaney and John Palmer were also neighbors.

OTTER VILLAGE.
... John Palmer wants to buy two good horses to work in his stone quarry.
Source: Osgood Ripley County Journal; 14 April 1881 - Page 2

John Palmer is listed with Samantha Nancy Gray [Dickerson]^5,E as his spouse on the 1860 through 1880 US Census reports. They did not marry until 28 Fe 1873 in Versailles, Ripley, Indiana, United States. They may have been in a common law marriage prior to 1873 and had a civil marriage for other, perhaps legal, reasons later.

John died 15 April 1885, aged about 58, in Ripley, Indiana, United States. According to his death notice, in the local newspaper, he died from paralysis (a stroke).

CZ.[??]
John Palmer died at his home Saturday morning, April 15; was buried Sunday, the 16th, at 3 o'clock p.m.
Source: Osgood Ripley County Journal; 23 April 1885 - Page 2

John Palmer, after a short sickness, paralysis, died Saturday morning at 8 o'clock and was buried Sunday afternoon on his farm^E. Mr. Palmer was an old resident of Center township, locating here in the sixties, since then engaged in quarrying stone^G with Peter Maschino⁴. His age was 58 years.
Source: Versailles Republican; 23 April 1885 - Page 6

John Palmer was buried on 16 April 1885 in Ripley, Indiana, United States^E. John and Samantha Nancy Gray [Dickerson] Palmer were the parents of six to seven known children: David L. [Gray] Palmer⁶, James Sylvanus Palmer⁶, John Palmer^6,H, William Jesse Palmer⁶, Robert Martin Palmer⁶ and Sarah I. Palmer⁶.

Notations of Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:

^A People often cite a christening record for a John Palmer, born 22 Dec 1822 in Larne, Antrim, Ireland to a William Palmer and Jane Morton for the above John's birth. John Palmer, however, has consistently been listed, starting with his immigrating to America, with an birth year of 1825 or 1826. His age, shared in his death notices, also help support the 1825/1826 birth year. Therefore I, on my side, do not officially cite the particular christening record for Blaney's brother and broadly listed him to being born in Ireland. Vania Howell (vaniahowell76 on Ancestry) has an online family tree where she listed John Palmer to being to born in Larne and shared the basis of that was "Per the Violet Tophe Papers, Ripley County Historical Society, Versailles, Indiana". Interestingly a John Palmer immigrated from Londonderry to New York, in 1843, aboard the Superb and his birth year was estimated to being 1822 ... could that been the Antrim John Palmer? Hm.
^B Parents remain, technically, as "unknown", although the more popular theorized couple, often listed as "being" his, and Blaney Palmer's, parents are William Palmer and Jane Martin. The 1822 christening record mentioned in the prior notation has some wondering if the handwriting transcription was in error or something and the mother's maiden name being Martin versus Morton. Blaney Palmer Sr.'s post, on this site, I shared about the theories, and theorized names, for the brothers. I also have two separate blog posts, about Sandford Palmer and Mary Ann Davies being their paternal grandparents and, when I revisited the Sandford Palmer Sr. thoughts, how the brothers did not appear to follow Irish naming tradition when it came to their children, which has it hard to say if William Palmer and Jane Martin were their parents or not..
^C There were several John Palmers who immigrated to the United States. The John Palmer, arriving in Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, is closer in age thoughts to the John Palmer in my family tree.
^D Have to double check to make sure this is the correct John Palmer. This would have him preceding Blaney in going to Indiana and, in fact, making pretty much a straight beeline to Indiana, whereas it is a known Blaney went to Butler County, OH area between 1843 to 1848 as Blaney married Eliza Ann Reed⁷ in that area then they went to Ripley County, IN where John Palmer would also be residing at.
^E Samantha Nancy Gray [Dickerson] listed her maiden name as Dickerson and father's name for the first time, in terms of a paper trail I have comes across for her, on the marriage record, John Palmer did not list his parents.
^F A memorial page for him, on Find A Grave, states John Palmer was buried in Otter Village Cemetery (also known as Tanglewood Cemetery) and that there is not a headstone or marker for his grave site. I am not certain if part of the family farm is included in the cemetery OR if his remains were later moved to the cemetery after Samantha or some of his children's passing OR if it is assumed he was buried there, since Samantha was, but he is still buried somewhere on what used to be part of his land.
^G Although John Palmer was consistently listed, in the United States Census reports, to his occupation being "Farmer", the newspaper advert from 1881 I came across help support he had been in the quarrying business as shared in his death notice and also family stories about him.
^H Child's existence could be questioned?

Relationship to Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:

1 Maternal 3x Great-uncle
2 Maternal 3x Great-grandparent
3 Maternal Great-great-grandfather
4 None to my knowledge
5 Maternal 3x Great-aunt through marriage
6 Maternal Cousin 3-times removed
7 Maternal Great-great-grandmother

Sources for Research on Blaney Palmer Sr.:

·   Supplemental Index to Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Atlantic and Gulf Coast Ports (Excluding New York), 1820-1874
·   Index to Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving atPhiladelphia, Pennsylvania, 1800-1906
·   Record about Naturalization on Ancestry
·   Find A Grave memorial pages for John Palmer, his wife, and children
·   United States Census in Otter Creek Township, Ripley County, Indiana; Occupation: Cooker
·   United States Census in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana; Occupation: Farmer
·   United States Census in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana; Occupation: Farmer
·   United States Census in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana; Occupation: Farmer
·   Osgood Ripley County Journal
·   Versailles Republican
·   Ancestry.com online message boards and family trees
·   Rootweb forums
·   Genealogy forums

Updated in May 2018 to share ancestry links as I did not have those in 2016 to share and to also include a notation about one of the children. Links to the two articles about Sandford Palmer were added in the notations about John's parents.

Elizabeth Ann Reed 1818 - 1893

Elizabeth Ann REED^1A was born on 16 September 1818^B, in Butler County, Ohio or possibly Pennsylvania. Her parents names are unknown.^{2, B, C}. Elizabeth became known as Eliza.

Blaney PALMER Sr.³ married Eliza A. Reed on 18 November 1847 in Butler County, Ohio.

By 9 October 1850 Eliza and Blaney Palmer Sr. are living in Otter Creek Township, Ripley County, Indiana. Eliza and Blaney Palmer Sr. can be found in subsequent United States census reports for 1860, 1870, and 1880 enumerating Center Township, Ripley County for those years. According to those same census reports Eliza Alma (Reed) Palmer's occupation was that of housewife. The 1870 and 1880 United States Census share Eliza could read, but could not write.

Hendrick's Crossing.
(Two miles south of Osgood.)

... Blaney and Eliza Palmer visited friends in Jeffersonville a few days last week.

-- Sourcee: Page 2 of the Ripley Journal from 9 August 1883

Family lore, within my family, was Eliza died as a result of a copperhead bite. I located a citation about her being bitten by a copperhead at least two years before her death^D.

As Mrs. Blaney Palmer stepped out on the porch bare-footed at her home west of town last Wednesday evening, she returned to the home with the remark that something had stung her. Investigation proved that a huge copper-head snake had crawled upon the porch and aggravated by Mrs. Palmer stepping on it, fastened its fangs on her toe. Her foot and leg swelled horribly, and a physician was called, but she is now out of danger. His snakeship was killed.

-- Source: Page 8 of the Ripley County Journal from 27 August 1891

Eliza A. Palmer died on 14 March 1893^G, aged 74, in Ripley County, Indiana.

On the Death of Mrs. Blaney Palmer

Eliza H.[sic] Reed was born in Butler county, Ohio, September 10, 1817; she was married to Blaney Palmer in 1845[sic]; to them were born 7 children>sup>F - five daughters and two sons. One daughter^E passed to the spirit world June 5, 1875. She leaves a husband and 6 children to mourn her loss; she had been in failing health for the past 5 years, but was not confined to her bed, and on March 24[sic], 1893, the death angel gave the summons and the mother went from us to join her daughter on the other shore. When home we go to see the father. mother is not there; her voice is silent in the tomb. Her funeral service was conducted at the residence by Rev. Guthrie. on Monday, March 17, after which her remains were laid to rest in the Versailles cemetery. The Good Lord saith when the hour cometh the reaper of death shall fell us; it is come and took from us one that has been near and dear to us all, he has called mother home while the body lies mouldering in the tomb, Her spirit is high up in heaven with our Saviour on his throne; she has bid adieu to a tender husband, she has left a loving family, she has sought for a happier place, we all will meet her if we fill our hearts with God's good grace. Mother is gone but not forgotten, her likeness will always be in our minds.

DAUGHTER ISABELLE CONNELLY[sic]⁴

-- Source: Page 4 of the Ripley County Journal from 18 May 1893,

She was buried in Cliff Hill Cemetery on 17 March 1893 in Versailles, Ripley County, Indiana. Eliza Alma REED and Blaney PALMER Sr. were parents to seven children: Mary Elizabeth PALMER⁴, Jane PALMER⁴, John PALMER⁵, Eliza Ann PALMER⁴, Mariah PALMER⁴, Isabelle PALMER⁴ and Blaney PALMER Jr.⁶.

Notations of Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:

^A Middle name taken from marriage record image that listed the couple as "Plenny Parmer" and "Eliza Ann Reed".
^B Birthdate from her headstone, which differs from date shared in obit.
^C Basis on a set of names, for Eliza Alma Reed's parents, is supported through the will of her maternal grandfather, Charles Russell. Eliza Alma Reed, who was born in Springfield Township, Gallia County, Ohio, is not the same Eliza Ann Reed who married Blaney Palmer in Butler County, Ohio. On Ancestry.com a PDF file is shared, titled to the will referring to Eliza who married Blaney, however Charles Russell's granddaughter, Eliza, married a John Guy/Grey in Ohio, and is listed in Ohio for the 1850 US Census whereas Blaney and Eliza [Reed] Palmer were already living in Indiana by the time of the 1850 US Census. Currently, I am leaning to a William and Mariah (or Mary) Reed, who lived within Fairfield Twp, Butler County, Ohio area for the 1840 and 1850 US Census as potential parents for Eliza Ann Reed ... however there was also a Samuel Reed who also lived in Butler County, Ohio around the same time frame.
^D It is hard to say if the snake bite in 1891 played a role in her death in 1893. The family lore had it sound it was almost immediate.
^E Reference to Mariah Palmer.
^F Confirms number of children to being 7 and not 8. This helps support that the couple did not have a 3rd son named James.
^G Her death date is often listed, including on the Find A Grave Memorial page for her, as 24 Mar 1893. Which the 24th would work for the funeral being held on a Monday, as stated in the obituary notice. However, the obituary written by Isabel about her mother was published on 18 Mar 1893, which is six days prior to March 24th. Using the publication date of the obituary had me using 14 Mar 1893 date for Eliza's passing, which would had the funeral being on Friday, 17 Mar 1893.

Relationship to Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:

¹ Maternal Great-Great-Grandmother
² Maternal 3x Great-Grandparents
³ Maternal Great-Great-Grandfather
⁴ Maternal Great-Aunt
⁵ Maternal Great-Uncle
⁶ Maternal Great-Grandfather

Sources for Research on Eliza(beth) Ann Reed:

·   United States Census on 9 October 1850 in Otter Creek, Ripley County, Indiana
·   United States Census on 19 June 1860 in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana
·   United States Census on 11 July 1870 in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana
·   United States on 3 June 1880 in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana
·   Newspaper/Publication - Ripley County Journal - August 1883, August 1891 ·   Newspaper/Publication - Ripley Journal May 1893
·   Find A Grave memorial pages for spouse and children
·   Rootsweb Archives
·   Ancestry Message Boards
·   Genealogy Forums

Additional Citations:

21 Apr 2018 Blog post was updated to share theorized [not confirmed] set of names for Eliza parents. I also correctly edited her birth place to being Butler County, Ohio, due to forgetting to that before when originally posting, due to establishing, on my side of the research, that Thomas Reed and Mary Sarah Russell to not being her parents, but the parents of another Eliza Reed who married a John Guy/Grey. I also added additional notations, to the above alphabetical listing of notations from my side, during the Apr 2018 update about the number of children and death date thoughts for Eliza(beth) Ann Reed.

26 Mar 2021 Blog post updated to remove the names of William and Mariah I had listed as Eliza's theorized parents. Which takes me back to having her parents' names currently Unknown.

Blaney Palmer 1820 - 1899

Blaney Palmer Sr.¹ was born on 10 September^A 1820^B, in Ireland^C, and the names of his parents are, if wishing to be accurate, unknown despite the many individual and one world tree sources sharing a loosely theorized thought his parents possibly were William PALMER^{2, D} and Jane MARTIN by using a debunked "Irish naming tradition" theory that someone has shared across multiple places that others have copied as "fact" versus unproven^{2, D}.

In 1842 or 1843 Blaney is said to have immigrated to the United States with his brother, John Palmer³. Most online tree owners cite Blaney Palmer listed on passenger list of the "Rob Roy" with last name spelt as "Parmer"; and disembarked in New York^E on 31 May 1842^F. On 3 September 1850, aged 29, he was naturalized^F.

Blaney Palmer Sr. married Elizabeth Ann REED⁴. Her parents' names are currently Unknown^{2, G} and she is said to been born on 18 November 1847 in Butler County, Ohio, however she may been born in Pennsylvania and her family later moved to Butler County, Ohio where she would meet then marry Blaney Palmer Sr.

By 9 October 1850, when he appears in his first United States census, Blaney Palmer Sr. is living in Ripley County, Indiana. Blaney can be found in subsequent United States census reports for 1860, 1870, and 1880 enumerating Ripley County for those years. According to those same census reports Blaney Palmer Sr. occupation was that of farmer and he could read and write.

According to the same census reports, Blaney Palmer increased the value of his property. In 1850 the reported value of his real estate was said to be $800. By the time the census taker came around in 1860 he had increased his real estate value to $2000 with the personal estate at $400. In 1870 the reported value was $4000 and personal estate at $500. With this steady increasing, the following cited offer for his holdings may been reasonable?

... Blaney Palmer refused an offer of $6,000 for his farm and stock from a Louisville man.

--Source: Page 2 of the Ripley County Journal from 20 October 1883

Before April of 1891 Blaney Palmer Sr. was diagnosed with cancer.

Blaney Palmer, west of town, who was recently treated by E. W. Hicks, the cancer doctor, was in town Monday and shows his face almost entirely well. Robt. Cornelius, who is also being treated, is improving rapidly.

Source: -- Page 8 of the Ripley County Journal from 16 April 1891

After Eliza (Reed) Palmer’s passing, in 1893, Blaney Palmer Sr. moves in with one of his daughters and her family. The newspapers from the area help chronicle this happening through notices of property for rent, real estate transfers and a public sale of household goods and stock.

REAL ESTATE TRANSFERS.
... Blaney Palmer to Coy Palmer⁵, 1 acre in Center tp., $350

--Source: Page 1 of the Batesville Democrat Herald from 4 October 1894/p>

... Blaney Palmer to John T. Welch⁶, 79 acres in Center tp, $2,000

--Source: Page 8 of Ripley County Journal from 10 September 1896

... Blaney Palmer, Sr. has sold his farm to his son-in-law, John Welsh, of Illinois.

--Source: Page 1 of the Versailles Republican from 16 September 1896

He died from cancer on 1 October 1899, aged 79, in Ripley County, Indiana.

... Blaney Palmer, Sr., an old resident of this county, died at the home of his son-in-law, Leatherwood John Wagner⁶, on Sunday evening, after great suffering from cancer on the face. He was buried at Versailles on Tuesday.

Source: -- 5 October 1899, Page 8 of the Ripley County Journal

Blaney Palmer was buried in Cliff Hill Cemetery on 5 October 1899 in Versailles, Ripley County, Indiana. Blaney Palmer and Eliza Alma Reed were the parents to seven children: Mary Elizabeth PALMER⁷, Jane PALMER⁷, John PALMER⁸, Eliza Ann PALMER⁷, Mariah PALMER⁷, Isabell PALMER⁷ and Blaney PALMER Jr.⁹.

Notations of Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:

^A Month and day of birth is obtained from Blaney Palmer’s grave marker.
^B Birth year may be around 1823 range according to the 1850, 1860 and 1880 U. S. Census reports information. The only sources which share his birth year as 1820 or earlier to that specific year is his headstone and the 1870 U. S Census report.
^C Exact birthplace is technically not known. Blaney is most often listed, on online shared family trees or within forum posts, as being born in Coleraine, County Londonderry, Ireland or County Londonderry, Ireland – which may be where he departed Ireland from and not actual birth location. His brother, John, is listed as being born in Northern Ireland, Larne, County Antrim, Ireland or County Antrim, Ireland however his exact birth location is not known either.
^D One of the three or four theories about whom his parents may have been. To date, his parents’ identities remain a mystery. I cannot stress it enough that William Palmer nor Jane Martin or anyone else has not been linked or somehow confirmed/verified to being Blaney nor John Palmer's parents - which also means that [Robert] Sandford Palmer [Sr] and, his wife, Mary Ann Davies, has not been verified, or confirmed, to having a son named William nor James and/or William James Palmer either. The names of William Palmer and Jane Martin are listed, within this blog post, as "working theory" but a theory that has not been able to provide one piece of documentation, or any link, whatsoever between the couple to Blaney or to his brother, John.
^E Blaney and his brother are said to have traveled together. However, I have not come across a passenger list transcription that has the two of them listed together. John Palmer is often cited as to being on a passenger list of another ship that landed in Philadelphia or New York.
^F Need to locate documentation for this beyond him stating, on a US Census, that he was naturalized in 1850.
^G Per the passenger list transcription, Blaney Palmer is listed to being 29 years old when coming to New York in 1842. That age would give him an estimated birth year of 1813/1814. However he is listed, in 1850, when being naturalized to being 29 at that time - which would match up more to the 10 Sep 1822 birth date.
^H William Reed and Mariah are listed as theorized parents for Eliza Ann Reed. This has not been confirmed as "fact" on my side, it is a theory I am still working on. William Reed's household appeared in the 1840 US Census in Butler County and William and Mariah Reed, with some of their children, is recorded in 1850 US census in the same area. However there was also a Samuel Reed around the same area in 1840.

Relationship to Carol A. Wells-Perlaky:

¹ Maternal Great-great-grandfather
² Maternal 3x Great-grandparent
³ Maternal Great-great-uncle
⁴ Maternal Great-great-grandmother
⁵ Maternal Grandfather
⁶ Indirect; through marriage
⁷ Maternal Great-aunt
⁸ Maternal Great-uncle
⁹ Maternal Great-grandfather

Sources for Research on Blaney Palmer Sr.:

·   United States Census in Otter Creek Township, Ripley County, Indiana; Occupation: Farmer
·   United States Census in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana; Occupation: Farmer
·   United States Census in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana; Occupation: Farmer
·   United States Census in Center Township, Ripley County, Indiana; Occupation: Farmer
·   Newspaper Publication: Ripley County Journal - October 1883, April 1891, September 1896
·   Newspaper Publication: Batesville Democrat Herald – October 1894
·   Newspaper Publication: Versailles Republican – September 1896
·   Find A Grave memorial pages for spouse and children
·   Rootsweb Archives
·   Ancestry Message Boards
·   Genealogy Forums

Additional Citations:

21 Apr 2018: Blog post updated to 1. share age for Blaney from a transcribed record of a passenger list, 2. to change Eliza's middle name from Alma to Ann, and 3. list theorized parents for Eliza. Also re-addressed the notation above in regard to thoughts about Blaney's parents to stress the names listed in the blog post are theorized parental names only and not to be taken as "fact" or that the couple was somehow proven to being his and/or John's parents and/or to being related, in any manner, to Blaney and/or John Palmer.

26 Mar 2021: Blog post updated to remove the theorized parental names, of William and Mariah, I had shared prior for Eliza Reed on 21 Apr 2018. Also amended wording for sentence about Blaney Palmer Sr's parents names, which are still currently shared within the post, to help further stress those names are only theorized potential names to wher some are even ignoring that Blaney has oft been mentioned/shared as to being the older brother to John Palmer, yet are moving John to older brother status to try to make "things work" even if it means ignoring the past information handed down about the two brothers or what is shared in those own men's paper trail here in the United States.